Last message posted in the ‘Chiron Last discussion group’ on telegram
This is the last message I posted in the CL group, that got me abruptly removed from it.
(For a bit of context, the owner had already asked that I or anyone that did not agree with his new direction for the group, leave and create groups of our own.)
“T., I appreciated this last message for being more composed. Below I am sharing some of my thoughts and responses.
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My main way of dealing with miss-understandings (and even evil, corruption, distortion, etc) has been to try to offer education rather than abandon or reject a person or a group, or leave a situation. I believe that language can both kill and heal us, and I believe that if we learn to speak correctly with each other again.. we can truly heal each other and the world.
This is why sometimes I might come off as “preachy”, I try to offer what I have in terms of knowledge, so clarity can be gained in a certain situation. And I would say this is the next stage in our true development as human beings, to learn to solve our conflicts through knowledge and education.
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I do not condone inviting people to leave and create their own groups, as the solution. This does not foster unity or a sense of safety, but rather disparity and fear. I do agree, though, that in order for people to unify there has to be a common purpose or a goal, but in my opinion, this goal has to, first and foremost, come from ‘above’. We have to first find our individual connection with Spirit, the single organising principle of all Life, and then come together in Spirit, as the children of God that we are, and see what we can do about our situation here in the world.
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Without Spirit we will never be able to accomplish or solve anything, truly. People, nations, societies… have consistently tried to solve their problems on their own, but it never worked. Societies will rise and fall, even attempts for spiritual liberation will begin and constantly end in disillusionment, as nothing ever truly works without Spirit.
We have to find the heart and the Spirit, and then come together in Spirit; this is how we will know what to do, what to say, how to create coherence between us, what to do about the evil in the world, we will be given the answers.. at each step of the way.
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I hear you T. I hear that you have a vision or idea for what actions could be taken to destroy the evil system (using your words), and that you want to gear this group towards that certain envisioned direction. But the name of this group is ‘Chiron Last discussion group’, and I am wondering how much is your envisioned direction in alignment with Chiron’s work? Can you give more details of what you have in mind… so people can comprehend this direction and see what they think/feel about it? Even if a group is created by a person, a group is still the people in it.
Maybe this is a bit of a miss understanding that I have, related to this group. Is this group just another spiritual group where everyone gets to discuss and share whatever spiritual notions they think as true, with a sort of nuance of Chiron Last, or was this group intended as a place for people seriously interested in Chiron Last’s work and the notions described therein?
I personally have zero problems with authority or following authority, as long as that authority leads me to the Good, the Truth and the Right. If that authority shows signs of immorality, un-ethical behaviour, etc, then I will question it and stop following it.
If the majority of people here embrace what appears like some form of moral relativism or spiritual libertarianism, if the concepts presented in Chiron’s work are taken merely as side guidelines, but not truly seriously honoured at heart, if different and even opposite and antagonistic ideas and ideologies are presented and promoted, if people here in this group are actually saying “Chiron Last was given too much credit”, I wonder… why are we even here then?
I thought I found myself among some truly serious people, that understand the life and death implications of the situation we are in, the most important battle that is given, which is the battle for our soul; people that are truly ready to put everything (or as much as they can) on the line to walk this narrow path back to Life, but rather.. it feels more and more, that where I found myself was in a garden of “spiritual delights”, where everyone thinks, believes and embraces whatever philosophies and “spiritual” notions they fashion, while Chiron’s work remains a beautiful, provided a somewhat eccentric, exhibit in a corner, somewhere.
And then if I raise an eyebrow, or growl a bit, or make the courage to criticise or question some of these things, asking that some respect to the work be maintained, I am made to appear like the off one in the band.
And then you have people’s egos that one has to also work to pamper, as if our situation right now wouldn’t be that serious, that you would think the use of a bitter, more alarmed language.. wouldn’t make it the end of the world. But what do you know? People are actually getting offended even if you take the time to write respectfully and thoughtfully composed texts, to express your worries and critiques on some concepts or behaviours that might actually be harmful, and they are immediately ready to leave the group or show you the door. As if the Earth wouldn’t be going through its 12th hour right now, as if all of us we would still have time… to quarrel and debate and create as many groups as we want…
I was here with my heart, with my true heart for what I perceived could be true real beings in this group.
I still am. And still I was judged for my sometimes harsher words, to that extent that my own expulsion from the group was discussed after saying to someone “you are making a miss-calculated judgement of your position in the cosmos”. You would think that worse things could exist in life, that would get people to abandon or reject one another for, but no…
And then people cry over how unjust and mean and evil the world is to them.
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I wanted to be among people which I could see they value Chiron’s work, not because of an overly excessive adulation or obsession with it (as some might think), but because… and I say it with deep grief, I know the seriousness of this situation we are in, and it just happens that Chiron Last was among the very few public voices that exposed it, in a much more accurate way. I believed that some of the people that gathered under his name also saw and understand the gravity of this situation, thus they are serious and they could be counted on. But when you see people either downplaying or denaturing this work.. you begin to see that this is just faintly optimistically so.
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If my presence is going to continue to be invited in this group then you can consider me a sort of lion that starts growling whenever a certain denaturation or perversion of the Truth crosses a certain limit. I am anything but placing myself in a position of a judge, but I have access to some form of inner knowledge, and sometimes.. I can deeply see when some things are off.
We all do mistakes, we all have a blind spot, and many times, we do not realise when we step on someone’s foot.. unless we start hearing the cry, or the scream. It’s similar with holy things. If this or any other group is truly serious about this authentic spiritual path, then protectors and defenders of this Truth, that can act as an immune system of sorts, have to exist. Evil is an actual pervasive force in this world, working 24/7 to corrupt and denature systems, minds, souls, bodies, and none of us are excerpted from this influence.
The deadliest form of cancer is not the one that hurts and signals its presence in the body, but the one that does not hurt and it’s not noticed, usually not until it is too late.
As unpleasant as screams or cries, or even angry tones, often times are – they are what can pin point a trouble, a weakness in the system, so that we can all see it and learn how to correctly deal with it. All of us have to be vigilant and work to protect others and the sacred, and signal when denaturations occur. As long as we remain together, rooted in Spirit, nothing can truly harm us, and to quote T, “United we stand… divided we fall.”
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For T. If your heart is going to guide you, you are going to open up to criticism and questions, and realise that some of the people that left might have needed to publicly and maturely express their concerns instead of leaving without a word. Standing on the bench and criticising the play is easy, playing in the field, exposing ourselves is hard, but it’s only in the open that true healing can happen.
Also, I need to be open and say it frankly that, at this moment, I do not trust your reason and your judgement. After what I saw here in the group, my mind is even a bit paranoid, and questions if you (or maybe others) are not deliberately trying to deviate this group away from Chiron’s work.
What would this group be if everyone here would start copy-pasting, for example, what their AI has told them about the nature of Life? Would we have people’s AIs starting to talk to each other now, here in this group? Rather than us, the actual people.. talking to each other, making efforts to communicate and get to a common understanding? As much as synchronising with someone else takes effort and time, that effort eventually leads to growth for both individuals. How much effort does it take to ask the AI to provide us with information or even solutions? How much growth is truly gained in that way?
How can I trust your judgement, your reason, even with this situation with the group and deciding what’s the best course of action, when much of your judgement could now be influenced by chatgpt that has advised you on what to do? This is how this technology chips away at our ability to truly know and trust the other, as if it wasn’t already so hard to truly connect with another human being using digits on a computer.
Personally I’ve only listened to very few of Mark Passio’s works, and I need to tell you openly, that I don’t have a good feeling about this guy. His information seems somewhat accurate, and I might need to watch more of his work to make an informed opinion, but there’s something about him that sends a deep signal of alert within me.
Why not follow what Chiron has already laid out, the guidelines are simple. Stay in the heart, listen in silence. No AI, no chatgpt, nothing could truly take the place of that which has already all the answers and just waits for us to hear them.
Of course we can all share different ideas or actions that can provide help on this journey, as long as they remain in alignment or complement Chiron’s work, but if this group becomes more about some other principles and tenants, beliefs and ideas, then how accurate is the name and symbol of Chiron Last anymore?
And you know, I get it, my presence in the group might not be that pleasant, and maybe not even wanted. I might be that thorn in someone’s otherwise peaceful mental state.
Maybe I am just too serious, as I have often been told, too sensible or negative about all of this. Maybe things are much more “love and light”, and everything is going to magically work itself out, “god has it all figured out” and we can just wait patiently for the end of the world to be raptured in heaven, while scrolling our news feed, chatting with our personal assistants, and sharing whatever “deep” spiritual truths we find from them. But I wonder if true essence, meaning and value can truly come out of this fast food, frivolous and libertarian spiritual thinking, or maybe.. the most amount of value arrises from things that ask for our devotion, concentrated effort, and giving oneself with heart, mind, body and soul.. to a singular goal, a singular cause.